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Hi, I have an APX7k that is dead after I tried "doing things" with communication between CPS and radio. No mercy, it was all my fault :) It does not power up and is not recognized on USB anymore, even not in flashzap mode. Now I wonder if there is a way to bootload it with an serial cable,...

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Second update: For those who are interested, this document shows the background and the reason why I have experienced this: http://dk5ras.dyndns.org/tmp/FED-STD-1023.pdf - see 3.3.3. The document is about INDICTOR and WINDSTER encryption, but the underlying CVSD is the same with DES. Key recognition...

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Update: When I disable the key recognition the effect is gone. So it seems the algorhithm fur detecting the correct key is buggy?! Never had this with Systems Sabers or XTS5000, but I must admit, the Sabers are quite old

As I can live with the noise from wrong keys the problem is solved now.

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Hi, I am using two Motorola Saber III radios with DES, and they show the effect that the receiving radio does not sync when the transmitting radio starts in secure mode with immediate very loud noise, like background noise from wind or from an engine. It can be provoked when you blow into the mic an...

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589008-101E87-1 in XTS5000 radios...

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Searching out in the wild for the R07 depot cps and writing a completely new codeplug with it will fix your issue.

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In Germany we have two nation public safety wide channel blocks, 80 MHz and 170 MHz, and for both bands the best radios one may carry are the Motorola Saber III and MTS2000. The older radios are Bosch and Telefunken, then there are some Kenwood, many AEG/EADS for car mount, end even some China handh...

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If anybody is interested in increasing the talkgroup scan list from 10 to 15 talkgroups edit patport.exe offset 00903271 and change from 0A to 0F Enjoy Would be interesting to find a way increasing the number of conventional channels in a scan list. 15 are not very much :) How did you find the loca...

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Hi, I have some VHF XTS5000 model III radios H18KEH9PW7AN, Host R17, DSP R16, UCM 05.07.15, KG1 DES-OFB, KG2 DES-XL, FLASH 589008-001E86-4. They should be used in conventional mode, some channels in FM, some in P25, both in a multikey setup with DES encryption. Now I can change between all 16 keys i...

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Hi, I own a Quantar that had been used for a German mobile data system called Modacom. It was some 4FSK-System, and the Quantar has a print "DataTAC" on it. This is the controller: http://dk5ras.dyndns.org/tmp/TTN5128C06.jpg As far as I am informed it should be possible to convert the unit...

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About storage of keys and such: The FIPS certification defines a "crypto boarder". In this physical range all key handling and storage must be done, and all the en/decryption work. The UCMs and also the older hybrids physical appearance _is_ the crypto boarder. So it is clear, all the keys...

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Yes, this noise is fake, only the loud short portion that is heard after real receiving is not faked

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Great, thank you!

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Hi, when converting a XTS5000 from model II to model III, is the keyboard PCB already prepared for the number keys (and buying housing and keymat is enough), or has this PCB also to be exchanged? Of yourse I just could open the radio, but as it is a "R" model I do not want to open it witho...

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Hi,

mine were 68-8 8MHz / 6W with special firmware, and it had definetely nothing to do with the mic capsule itself, it really was this missing transistor. Strange.

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Hi, I have problems enabling a kind of power on password in Systems Saber III radios, should be firmware 7, AFAIR. There is a menu in the CPS that aloows entering such a password, but I can not get the radio to request the PW. With my German Police Saber III radios this was straight forward, I enabl...

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Hi, in the RSS for the Systems Saber radios there can be found an item to enable a kind of lock code, to be able to lock the radio with a PIN. Enabling ist does not make a difference, and I can not find a way where this lock code could be entered. Any ideas out there? Would like to protect a bunch o...

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Hi out there, I have here two Motorola MX3013, what is some kind of German police radio version of the Saber III / MX3000, VHF low, 75 MHz band. Now one out of 1991 performed just fine, while on the radio from 1994 TX audio was low and muffled. Alignment just fine, so I thought, maybe the mic. Repla...

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I got the visio reader to work, so here is a new very important question... - Will this work with two VHF GM300s (Maxtracs)? - Hard to tell by this schematic if when in non-PL "APCO" transparent mode, does the transmitter stay keyed all the time or does it only engage on a COR signal? I d...

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... so I could not test if it works for P25, but I guess it will do. Update: D-Star and P25 work just fine; also in a cross band repeater setup with four radios (2*146 MHz, 2*440 MHz) it works great and is able to connect both bands together, FM, D-Star, P25, whatever you want to use. The "liv...

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Hello Ralph, The XTS-5000 will allow the use of DES-XL encryption in P25 CAI mode, even when DES-OFB is available in the module? 73 DE Hartley Yes, it does. I have DES, DES-XL and DES-OFB available in those radios. OFB is not decoded on my Astro Sabers, but when setting the XTS5000 to DES-XL in P25...

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Hartley wrote:Hi Guys,

If your module has -OFB in it, it will NOT allow the use of -XL in transmit (tho it WILL decode it!).
73 DE Hartley

My pair of XTS5000 also allows transmitting in DES-XL when enabling this in CPS. They can talk to my Astro Sabers just fine with this setting.

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N9LLO wrote:There are folks here on the board that can do the upgrade you need.
Why dont you post a wanted message and see if you can get some help that way? You may get lucky!

Chris
N9LLO

I want to avoid sending the radios through the whole world, customs issues, time, costs...

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Hightower wrote: Two weeks from now you may cross paths with some Astro guru in your area who can upgrade your radio. At least it's upgradable

Who is this? Jochen? I would be glad to get in contact with him!

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So if your radio has a 512K controller, your out-of-luck and will have to deal with the somewhat tigher squelch. However if your controller is a 1Meg, a firmware uplift to 7.71.00 / 8.03.03 will solve the tight squelch. Actually Host/dsp above 7.04.xx / 8.xx.xx should NOTexibit this tight squelch i...

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escomm wrote:Oh Ok, batlabs.com says XL is for analog only. So much for that

Really? P25 allows XL or OFB, depoending on the hybrid.

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Josh wrote:Squelch is programmed on a per-channel basis. Check your personalities in the codeplug.

As I have written, I have done this, but it is not enough...

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You can't use XL in P25, you have to use OFB Problem solved. Of course I can use XL in P25, and even have to with those modules. Finally I made it work also in P25; seems to be a bug in the CPS. Some of the channels that had been programmed into the radios without being secure equipped did not allo...

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Hi, I have ordered two modules NTN1153, but I got NTN1368. Now it looks that they do just securenet, but no DES-XL in P25 mode. Is it true that the NTN1153 would be able to do DES-XL in P25, or would it be the same problem with those? In case NTN1153 really would fulfil my wishes - anyone out there ...

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Hi, I wonder if there really is no squelch adjustment possible with those radios in tuner software? Even with setting 1 in the personality I would like to have a bit more sql sensitivity - the setting is perfect for public safety, but for ham use it is still a bit high. The XTS5000 are much better i...

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I have a AS M1 with 5.6/6.5 host/dsp, never notice the problem you describe. Radio aligned? If not, I've seen Astros do some erratic digital/analog decoding - sound like the problem your having. 8) Post your Host/DSP of your radio, maybe you have a real early IMBE firmware that had early beta bugs/...

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Hi! I have two Astro Saber that I use for ham radio in FM and P25. When I set them on mixed mode, they often try to decode P25 on weak FM signals, or on some stations with very strong and/or shrill modulation. This is very annoying, as often important parts of a conversation are muted or replace wit...

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U501 is on the display board next to the flex circuit from the main board. IF you have another Saber III available, try swapping the display boards to see if the problem travels (remember to save a copy of both codeplugs before doing this). As an alternative, if you have a Saber II with an 8K displ...

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Hi, I have a Saber III (German police version) that looses its mind :-) The radio works just fine, but it does not keep its channel when powered off, and programming it with RSS does not make any changes. So it smells like a dry solder joint around the EEPROM U501 or the CPU, maybe WE is interrupted...

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I did a repeater with some old crystal controlled radios, doing FM, APCO25 and 12kbit securenet just fine. The old stuff sometimes is much easier to adopt to those new modes :-) OK, now I have set up a repeater with two GM1200 (european MTP1327/1343-trunking radios in conventional mode, Renaissance...

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Well, not quite.... You NEED a narrow band/modulation capable radio, and a MAX of 1/2 watt output power to meet these PMR specifications. Of course you need an narrow capable radio, but most modern radios are anyway. And the commonly available output setting 1W ist with a usual rubberduck antenna a...

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Hi out there! I just wanted to point to some information about license free radio usage in Germany - in case one of you wants to be able to use his Motorolas when visiting Germany without any special license :-) http://www.pmr149.de is the URL. Tell me what you are missing, or what may be not clear ...

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mr.syntrx wrote:It's not documented publically. I've got the Project 25 Keyfill Device specifications, but I have no information on the Advanced SECURENET protocol.

What a pity; but I did not really expect to find it out in the public :) So the scope job must be done...

Ralph.

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This wouldn't load keys into legacy equipment using Motorola's ASN protocol such as Sabers, MTS 2000 etc though, because that protocol is Motorola proprietary, and I suspect the chances of them granting me a license to the protocol under conditions I'd be comfortable with (if at all) would be exact...

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Basic app that generates truly random crypto keys, using Windows' Base Cryptographic Framework. Fine, thank you! I had a DOS app for DES keys (a friend wrote it for me) that allows to create a list of random keys and export them to a .txt-file, to be able to hand out a key list for regular key chan...

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I've always though it interesting that the keyloader and the spectra use the same hybrid module. KVL uses it for...??? but the spectra uses it for encrypt/decrypt the audio. As you already looked at the keyloader schem, perhaps comparing that to the spectra may add more the that advill headache ;) ...

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I have noticed that on various Moto radios that certain tones will be muted. I never dug further to figure out what freq the tones were at. TPG's theory about the 12/18 tones would make sense, but I know tones outside of that range have also been muted. Don't know the reason behind it. There was a ...

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Hi! I am looking for the part numbers to buy flash upgrades for a bunch of XTS5K radios to the latest revision. As far as I understand I need an iButton with the licenses, the file(s) with the firmware and the iButton adapter. Does this adapter need to come from Motorola, or does the normal Dallas/M...

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Hi! In case this is not yet known, it is possible to enhance the frequency range of XTS5000 and similar radios programmed with the same CPS. I just opened the patport.exe with an hex editor, searched in intel unsigned long for the frequency limits (in my case 136000000 and 174000000), replace them w...

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Bob wrote:I've never heard of that split in a saber. A 68MHz split saber (or MX) was manufactured for overseas. That is often referred to as a 'lowband' saber.

Yep, I have two of those, fine radios, doing 68-88 MHz - look at my avatar pic. I am still looking for two DES hybrids to complete them :)

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In germany they use more and more authentical police radios, here these are radios specially developed for german police/fire/rescue use. They just are missing that the handhelds nowadays are MTS2000 or Waris, they still use the older stuff from the seventies, what today is only used by some smaller...

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I assume you mean DES-OFP There should be no difference between encryption and clear in a digital system. Now clear and securenet that was another story. But with each DSP release the quality has improved. I mean DES-OFB, and as you can hear, there is an difference :( Securenet is another thing :) ...

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grem467 wrote:what version host/dsp and emc are you running in the radios?

Those are quite old 123abc radios, 2.20, encryption module 5.13 or something like that. With newer "true" XTS it sounds similar, but I do not have them by hands and can not verify the exact versions.

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Hi! I experience a slight decrease in audio quality when switching from plain APCO25 (unencrypted) to DES-OFB. This should not happen, as the encryption happens when the signal already is digital, so what is the reason for that? I have made a sample, although in german language you should be able to...

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Hi! Just because I would have liked an Expo during the 80ies and could not afford one, now I finally got some of them, together with the 6-slot charger, but the batteries are totally dead. In germany they are around 70US$ each, so importing them from a cheap US source could be much cheaper then buyi...

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