Better radio to buy

rick0001 · Post by **rick0001** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:24 am

What would you guys recommend to buy the xts3500 or the 5000?

thanks

RocketNJ · Post by **RocketNJ** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:38 am

depends on what you are going to use the radio for. The 3500 does not support trunking (officially). The 5000 has an 8 meg vocon where the 3500 has a 1 meg, which means the 5000 is capable of more features.

George

ExKa|iBuR · Post by **ExKa|iBuR** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:44 am

Yep, it depends on what you want.

The XTS5000 has yet to be hacked, but to my knowledge, the 3500 can. As the other guy said, the 3500 doesn't officially support trunking, but I know a few people who have the Nick radios that does trunking just fine.

The 3500 is also cheaper.

If you want a radio for actual system use, and features, etc... aren't that important, I'd go with the 5000, but if you want a radio you can mess around with (change the flash, etc...), the 3500 is for you. Whatever you buy the 5000 with is what you're stuck with, unless you buy a flash upgrade (big bucks).

-Mike

ASTROMODAT · Post by **ASTROMODAT** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:52 pm

I you want to run autopatches (such as with the MRTI2000) in the IMBE mode (including encryption), you will need an XTS 5000, as only it and the old XTS 3000 support IMBE P25 Data 12 dialing (unacknowledged packets). Of course, any of these radios will easily support the old DTMF analog dialing for running legacy analog FM patches.

larry

Post by **/\/\y 2 cents** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:32 pm

or you could just carry a 3oz cellphone and save some serious $$ on the MRTI infrastructure and subscriber units that support the IMBE phone patch (data-12)...Then again if one must have it all and you are legit, get a 5000. If you arent legit, get a 3000 and get it to behave as if you were a legit user. Actually i'd rather have an astro saber III than any xts.

Post by **/\/\y 2 cents** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:33 pm

BTW last time I saw anybody use autopatch was on an old episode of tj hooker

ASTROMODAT · Post by **ASTROMODAT** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:51 pm

We are required under contract to have P25 AES radios, with secure interconnect capabilities. Cell phones are not allowed. The subscriber sets and releated infrastructure are just part of our overhead costs.

Post by **/\/\y 2 cents** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:53 pm

use GSM cellphones w/ the DES/AES module...thats what the fed's have....infact thats what Air force one uses for the flight phones.

ASTROMODAT · Post by **ASTROMODAT** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:56 pm

and to think of the money I could have saved, if only I had my2cents legal contractual advice! Sigh...

rick0001 · Post by **rick0001** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:49 am

All I'm looking to do is get as many freqs in the UHF 1,2 and 800-900 as possible. Is that possible? Even if hacked?

I woiuld also like encryption is possible?

Thanks

Post by **/\/\y 2 cents** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:34 am

conventional or trunked?

If trunked and you are legit a 5000 will do more, but you cant find your way onto systems very easily. . If trunked and not legit a 3000.

if conventional and you dont have to hop through hoops to be on the system, just simple PL or ASTRO CSQ etc, then a 5000. A 5000 is 512 modes, while a 3000 is 255 modes.

Personally, AS III, but that my opinion.

rick0001 · Post by **rick0001** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:24 am

What is the total freq range with the 5000 or the 3000?

Thanks

ASTROMODAT · Post by **ASTROMODAT** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:11 am

XTS 3000: 403-470 MHz

XTS 5000: 380-470 MHz

Post by **/\/\y 2 cents** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:10 am

with a 5000 you can go fight in iraq and be able to talk to our nazi-like raid teams on their 380Mhz ISR's that are really low split icom FRS radios, so it makes a nice christmas gift for the soldier abroad who wants 4 watts of radio power instead of the issued junk.

1 Adam 12 · Post by **1 Adam 12** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:39 am

rick0001 wrote:All I'm looking to do is get as many freqs in the UHF 1,2 and 800-900 as possible. Is that possible? Even if hacked?

Thanks

In one radio......?????? No...if thats what you are asking the radios in question can only do one band and in some segments not cover the entire band without having at least 2 different bandsplit configurations...
For example VHF 138-174, UHF either 403-470MHZ (extended coverage 380-470 ) or 450-512MHZ, 700/800 is one radio and there is no 900MHZ version.... If you are attempting to cover several segments you are going to need several radios.If you just want to listen just buy a digital capable scanner.

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RocketNJ · Post by **RocketNJ** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:11 pm

He would need an MTs2000 or GTX portable for 900.

Can you say handheld TrunkTracker?

George

ASTROMODAT · Post by **ASTROMODAT** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:32 pm

Can you say "PRO-96?" Its IMBE audio is as good, if not better, than an XTS5000.